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Interview with Ivy Graduates: Why do Indians develop better in the United States than Chinese?

via:博客园     time:2018/6/11 14:31:45     readed:373


In recent years, Indians have frequently broken the career ceiling in the Western workplace and entered the top of the company. For example, both Google and Microsoft’s current CEO are Indians. This phenomenon has aroused the attention and discussion of many Chinese people, because compared with Indians, the status of Chinese in foreign companies does not appear to be as high as that of Indians, and the glass ceiling has not yet been broken. Why is this?


For the reasons that cause this phenomenon, we all agree that there are: 1. Overseas Indians have an English advantage; 2. Overseas Indians are more outward-oriented than overseas Chinese; 3. Indians are more enthralled than Chinese.

Are Chinese born overseas agree with these reasons?

We talked to five people in the United States who have long been engaged in school work. Among them are four Chinese, born in the United States, in kindergarten, elementary school, and junior high school, followed by parents emigrating to the United States, and one Eastern European who immigrated to the United States at the age of eight. These five individuals are examples of successful educational success in the traditional sense. Three of them graduated from Ivy League University in the United States. One of them has an undergraduate degree from Yale University and a PhD from Harvard University. All of them are 30-40 years old. They are now The industries involved include hedge funds, law, academics, blockchain, etc.

They have all experienced basic education, higher education, and the workplace in the United States. Their experience of American society is much deeper than the Chinese who came to the United States after work to study and travel to the United States. Their views are obviously different from those of most Chinese people.

The interviews are not limited to the apparent differences between Indians and Chinese. Instead, they try to understand the social systems and cultural differences reflected by superficial phenomena.

The purpose of writing this article is to present an infrequently heard point of view, because more and more Chinese children have gone to study in the United States since childhood. However, most parents themselves have not experienced growing up in American society. Then, After listening to different opinions, it is very necessary to think and make decisions.

Below are the reasons why five people are listed.


First of all, the language did play a big role, and the highly educated Indians and Americans could seamlessly interface with each other. Because of the language relationship, India is also part of the Pan-Western cultural circle, and Indians are also very familiar with Western pop culture. One of the junior Chinese who went to the United States said: "I have witnessed the Indians who have never been to the United States. When they get on the plane, they can be a part of the Americans, kidding and the like, but it is basically impossible for the Chinese people. "Of course, many of China's post-10s and post-10s are very capable of English. I believe there are already many Chinese children who can cross the language barrier once they go to the United States."

However, they also agreed that language is not the only or even the most important reason. Because although it is true that Chinese who grew up in China are indeed inferior to Indians in terms of English, the second generation and third generation of overseas Chinese who grew up overseas have no linguistic disadvantage as a group. They are on the job market. The overall is still better than Indians. What are the reasons besides language?


The second reason, which sounds very "politically incorrect", but these five people, including the white people from Eastern Europe and 8 years old who immigrated to the United States, are very much in favor of ——the reason for race. First of all, all five of them agree that the United States is a multi-racial country. Whites are the core races that control the main resources of the society. The distance between each race and the white race determines the mainstream level of this race in American society ——many; People may not agree with their opinion because the United States has always publicized itself as an ethnically equal and democratic country. However, under our contact, many Chinese who have participated in American society deeply do not agree with the mainstream American propaganda.

Under this premise, why do Indians have advantages over Chinese? The ancestors of the Indians are Caucasians. Their faces are more white than Chinese, and this difference in faces creates a strong disparity in the subconscious. Just as Chinese people see other Asians abroad, they are generally more subconscious than people who see other races. Therefore, subconsciously, mainstream American society is closer to them and alienated more from the Chinese.

Actually, not only Chinese, including Koreans and Japanese, immigrants and future generations in the entire East Asian region have been largely kept below the glass ceiling of the workplace in the United States.

The premise for the understanding of U.S. society based on this view may be very controversial, because many foreigners think that the United States is an ethnically diverse and democratic country. However, it is clear that many Chinese and even white people who grow up in the United States do not agree with this.

The similarities of class curing

The next reason was advanced by an 8 year old Eastern European who immigrated to the United States. He graduated from the Ivy League Law School in the United States and worked in the top 10 law firms in the United States. He is neither Indian nor Chinese. The observation of this issue is very objective — although his views sound politically incorrect.

He mentioned how the Indian society works. In India, although the government has abolished the "caste system", but Indians still have a strong sense of caste, leading to deep-rooted class concept of Indian society & mdash; & ldquo; I am higher than your class, unable to Change ”. Infiltrated in such a social culture, the social rules that Indians are familiar with and accept are "mdash;—" each person's most fundamental identity has been determined at birth, the acquired efforts cannot change the class rank at birth, and they are also good at adhering to this society. Under the premise of the rules, strive for their own interests.

Our interviewees pointed out the similarities between Indian social rules and American society. Although racial discrimination in the United States is prohibited by law, the relative status of all ethnic groups in the social environment has been firmly established. All races cannot change their relative political status in society. The similarities between the American social operation's unspoken rules and Indian social rules make Indians very adaptable. They understand how to maximize their profits without changing their position in the rules of the game. Indians are also willing to accept, even if they work hard. It also cannot change the fact that he is in a position opposite to white Americans in American society.

However, the Chinese culture believes that "while eating hardships and suffering hardships, people are superior" and believe that they can change their status through their own efforts. No matter how they are born, as long as they struggle to study hard, they can achieve whatever life they wish. However, in the experience of these five people, it is clear that American society can certainly rise step by step in any area of ​​society without relying on hard work. Most Chinese people do not understand the strength of the American social system and have never adapted to it. When frustrated, it is very easy to cause a huge psychological gap.

Migration history

In addition to the above reasons, historical reasons have also affected the status of Chinese in American society. The massive immigration of Indians to the United States began in recent decades, and a large proportion of the first immigrants were professional immigrants. In the history of the United States before this, there were very few Indians, that is to say, the ordinary American people, before the Indians began a large number of professional immigration to the United States in recent decades, had a blank impression of India’s ethnicity. neutral. The arrival of a large number of high-income, highly-educated Indians who have been screened has greatly influenced Americans' "first impressions" of them.

However, the Chinese people are different. China began to immigrate to the United States from 1850. At that time, the Chinese people in the United States were almost exclusively the coolies of the railway construction, resulting in the impression that the Americans first formed for the Chinese was "cooliest". , "China laborers". In addition, in the history of the United States, there have been several anti-Chinese racial insurrections and the notorious Chinese Exclusion Act. Therefore, in the collective memory of Americans, the stereotyped image of Chinese people is very serious. Great historical burden. The Indians, as a new immigrant group in the United States, do not have the same historical burden.


Historical reasons have led to the fact that Americans still have a stereotyped negative impression on Chinese people in their minds. Of course, such impressions will affect the lives of Chinese living in the country.

Outward culture

The fifth reason stems from the difference between Indian culture and Chinese culture. In the Indian culture, the outward-oriented character is encouraged to stay in American companies or schools for a long time. It will be found that in any meeting or speech, the Indians who speak the most are the Indians, and the Indians who perform the most are “mdash;”; Such personality is respected by their culture, and precisely this point is also encouraged by Western culture.

On the contrary, the Chinese culture emphasizes more on restraint, implicitness, and humility. The influence of culture dissolves in the blood and affects a person's everyday words and deeds; the cultural culture that is respected by modern Chinese and the modern western competition culture are two opposites. The blend of Indian cultural and American cultural character has led to different performances and treatment within the company.


The sixth reason is that what is commonly referred to as Indians likes to "bunch", but why do they like to hug groups? Why do Indians like to promote their own people in the company? For these overseas Chinese, this cohesion comes from their religion. In Hindu life, Hinduism is a very powerful force and the cohesion of their identity. You can see the home of an overseas Indian who goes casually. You can see the Hindu gods hanging on their walls and burning incense.

The cohesion brought about by this religion is carried out in their daily lives. It also creates a clear "enemy" consciousness. A Chinese who had immigrated to the United States told me that there are a large number of Indians in the city where he lives, but it is striking that almost all of these Indian families know each other and often come and go. In the company, it is reflected in their love of promoting their own people.


Relatively speaking, the Chinese people's Confucian-based cultural power is far from reaching this level of fanaticism. The Chinese themselves do not have any religion that can achieve an exclusive cohesive force like Hinduism.

These five people put forward the above six reasons. They believe that the combination of the six causes led to easier access for Indians within the company in the United States. Chinese people always face glass ceilings after reaching a certain level. .

Compare these six reasons and the first three reasons, you will find a very interesting phenomenon. The first three reasons are to find faults from oneself. For example, I feel that my English is not good enough, I am not outgoing enough, or that the Chinese are unable to hold a group, so I can't be promoted. As long as my own progress, natural Can break the glass ceiling in the workplace in the United States, the source of such ideas is the Chinese culture "introspection" of the cultural genes.

However, after perusing the above six reasons, it is not difficult to find that the five reasons proposed by these five people are objective. They can be classified as: the essential differences between Chinese culture, Indian culture, and American culture; The racial reality leads to the fact that it is not because the Chinese themselves are incapable, but that our own culture and looks are different from them. Such a difference is nothing in itself, but it is an objective disadvantage in the American society environment.

We have found that many Chinese children receive traditional Chinese thoughts from their parents and believe in "drinking hardships and suffering. They are just humans." And shoulders have always had a hope for success. I believe that as long as they are admitted to a good university, You can find a good job, and as long as you work through it, you will be able to advance your career in the United States step by step. Many Chinese parents, as ethnic minorities, have not been accepted by the mainstream society for the rest of their lives. They placed all their hopes on their own children. They think that their children have been educated in the United States since childhood. They have no language barriers and work hard to break the glass ceiling.

But parents do not know that behind the glass ceiling is the United States' strong social game rules. For example, the Indians are more successful than the Chinese in the US workplace. It is not because the Chinese are not capable. It is the objective conditions that determine the Indians' more adaptability to the American workplace culture. For example, it is easier for the Indian culture to encourage the export-oriented and competitive style. Successful in Western culture. The Western cultural traits and Chinese cultural traits are superior and inferior, and there is no objective standard.

The five people witnessed a lot of Chinese children. Even after reading the best university and entering university after graduating from university, they discovered the existence of American glass ceilings for Americans, and the glass ceiling could not be broken by their own efforts. The education that he had received since childhood was very different, ambitious but powerless, because there was a large number of unhappy people out there.


Regardless of how representative these five people are, they have given us another perspective. And all five people have traditionally well-educated education and work backgrounds. They were very frank in their interviews, and they all talked about a lot of their own privacy experiences. I think their views are of great value.

After all, this point of view will not be told to you, but we very much hope that Chinese parents who send their children to study abroad can hear similar views from mainstream voices, and understand the objective limitations of American society and study abroad. There are psychological preparations for the social reality that may be faced after graduation.

Taking a step back and speaking, assuming that these people's viewpoints are universally representative, it is inferred that the children who go abroad to study should first level their mentality, because many Chinese children studying abroad still have a great influence on their own future development. Daxie's is not comfortable with ordinary life. Many people think that the younger the age of going abroad, the easier it is to "integrate into" American society. It is very easy for a great psychological gap after work. In fact, there are many ways to have a happy life. The success of the academic and workplace is not the only indicator. Parents can share this viewpoint with their children.

Second, English learning is indeed very important, because being able to use another global language skillfully can bring about more possibilities of life, but if the cost of learning English is to abandon Chinese culture and its connection with Chinese society, is it worth it? Worth thinking. Four of the five Chinese who participated in the interview all agreed that this is not worth it. Even though they are now in their thirties, they are all working hard and compensatoryly learning Chinese culture, such as Chinese primary school students. Recite Chinese ancient poetry and idioms.

We very much hope that more people will discuss this issue to present more different perspectives and stimulate more in-depth thinking.

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